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Some words on the nature of reality.
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by Linas Vepštas <linasvepstas@gmail.com> · 2026-01-15T17:25:32.000Z

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18481848\begin_inset Quotes eld
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18501850
1851what is the topology for the space of these kinds of difffeqs that are constructed in this insane kind of way?
1851what is the topology for the space of these kinds of diffeqs that are constructed in this insane kind of way?
18521852\begin_inset Quotes erd
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18541854
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18811881 and I did not write them down and now I cannot remember them.
18821882\end_layout
18831883
1884\begin_layout Subsection*
188515 January 2026
1886\end_layout
1887
1888\begin_layout Standard
1889Today I will write very little because I have nothing new.
1890 I'm just reviewing things I've pondered earlier,
1891 in the fall,
1892 and to recap,
1893 it went like this.
1894 Once I realized that
1895\begin_inset Formula $\left|\psi\right\rangle $
1896\end_inset
1897
1898 is non–local;
1899 took it to heart,
1900 that is;
1901 (previously,
1902 I'd known this
1903\begin_inset Quotes eld
1904\end_inset
1905
1906subconsciously
1907\begin_inset Quotes erd
1908\end_inset
1909
1910,
1911 knowing it without the being fully formed and the object of attention.) once I realized this,
1912 it was
1913\begin_inset Quotes eld
1914\end_inset
1915
1916oh
1917\begin_inset Quotes erd
1918\end_inset
1919
1920,
1921 and
1922\begin_inset Quotes eld
1923\end_inset
1924
1925what is the mechanism of collapse?
1926\begin_inset Quotes erd
1927\end_inset
1928
1929 so in my diary entry from October?
1930 September?
1931 I envision one
1932\begin_inset Formula $\left|\psi\right\rangle $
1933\end_inset
1934
1935 interacting with two tanks,
1936 loosely connected,
1937 and the mental model I had there was a thermodynamic phase space one:
1938 once the w.f.
1939 started interacting one of the tanks,
1940 it would
1941\begin_inset Quotes eld
1942\end_inset
1943
1944get lost in there
1945\begin_inset Quotes erd
1946\end_inset
1947
1948 because the phase space was so big,
1949 it was unlikely it would get out.
1950 As I recall,
1951 I even wrote down a (two–particle) interaction Hamiltonian,
1952 and then hit a brick wall:
1953 any such interaction state can always be re–orthogonalized into free,
1954 non–interacting states (a two–particle state,
1955 at first) and adding three,
1956 four–particle interactions just means one can diagonalize into three,
1957 four–particle states that are free.
1958 And are NOT localized.
1959 No matter the Hamiltonian,
1960 this is a property of linear algebra:
1961 you can always diagonalize.
1962 So,
1963 from linear algebra,
1964 from non–locality,
1965 you will never get locality or w.f.
1966 collapse.
1967 And this is why,
1968 duh,
1969 theories of w.f.
1970 collapse conventionally include non–linear terms of some sort;
1971 gravitation being the obvious one.
1972\end_layout
1973
1974\begin_layout Standard
1975This morning I'm sitting here,
1976 thinking,
1977
1978\begin_inset Quotes eld
1979\end_inset
1980
1981I need to write some more
1982\begin_inset Quotes erd
1983\end_inset
1984
1985
1986\begin_inset Quotes erd
1987\end_inset
1988
1989,
1990 because the conclusion yesterday,
1991 above,
1992 seemed so stupid,
1993 idiotic and crazy,
1994 I did not want to leave the diary for weeks with a sore thumb sticking out like that.
1995 So I started think a bit about entanglement.
1996 In the past,
1997 I thought about two–particle entanglement
1998\begin_inset Quotes eld
1999\end_inset
2000
2001interfermoetrically
2002\begin_inset Quotes erd
2003\end_inset
2004
2005,
2006 which,
2007 I hate to admit it,
2008 was a code–word for
2009\begin_inset Quotes eld
2010\end_inset
2011
2012locally
2013\begin_inset Quotes erd
2014\end_inset
2015
2016.
2017 This is the old idea (not mine,
2018 someone else's) that in many–worlds,
2019 plus this sub–conscious assumption of locality,
2020 the universes split at both measurement sites,
2021 and stay in superposition until the measurement results are brought back to one location.
2022 This is the interferometric viewpoint.
2023 I'm now realizing that it's wrong,
2024 and the reason its wrong is the usually–hidden deeply–embedded assumptions of locality.
2025 My brain is just so overwhelmingly use to thinking of spatial relationships,
2026 a
2027\begin_inset Quotes eld
2028\end_inset
2029
2030here
2031\begin_inset Quotes erd
2032\end_inset
2033
2034 and a
2035\begin_inset Quotes eld
2036\end_inset
2037
2038there
2039\begin_inset Quotes erd
2040\end_inset
2041
2042,
2043 that even when admitting non–locality
2044\begin_inset Quotes eld
2045\end_inset
2046
2047into my soul
2048\begin_inset Quotes erd
2049\end_inset
2050
2051,
2052 I still habitually fall back into thinking about
2053\begin_inset Quotes eld
2054\end_inset
2055
2056what happened here,
2057 what happened there
2058\begin_inset Quotes erd
2059\end_inset
2060
2061,
2062 even as I know this is the source of confusion.
2063 Perhaps this is why it took so long for complex numbers to be discovered:
2064 if you are solving the cubic,
2065 and it has two complex roots,
2066 where are those roots located?
2067 There's a mental block if you keep trying to visualize them as being on the x–axis.
2068 They are not.
2069 They are not
2070\begin_inset Quotes eld
2071\end_inset
2072
2073anywhere
2074\begin_inset Quotes erd
2075\end_inset
2076
2077,
2078 they are non–local,
2079 in this way.
2080 They are
2081\begin_inset Quotes eld
2082\end_inset
2083
2084somewhere else
2085\begin_inset Quotes erd
2086\end_inset
2087
2088.
2089 So my wave functions are non–local,
2090 and I run into mental trouble if I keep asking
2091\begin_inset Quotes eld
2092\end_inset
2093
2094where do they intersect with the physical reality that I am accustomed to?
2095\begin_inset Quotes erd
2096\end_inset
2097
2098 They do not.
2099\end_layout
2100
2101\begin_layout Standard
2102Hmm.
2103 Let me put it more strongly.
2104 The
2105\begin_inset Quotes eld
2106\end_inset
2107
2108physical reality that I am accustomed to
2109\begin_inset Quotes erd
2110\end_inset
2111
2112 is entirely my memory of the past.
2113 That's all I've got.
2114 I
2115\begin_inset Quotes eld
2116\end_inset
2117
2118live in the present
2119\begin_inset Quotes erd
2120\end_inset
2121
2122,
2123 but the only information that I have,
2124 the only classical bits and bytes information,
2125 is that encoded in my memory of what happened just now,
2126 what I recall from yesterday,
2127 or the,
2128 uh,
2129 I guess the photons hitting my eyeballs,
2130 coming from my computer screen,
2131 showing me what I typed mere seconds ago.
2132 This is the physical reality that I know:
2133 the untouchable past,
2134 and the carving–into–stone that I do
2135\begin_inset Quotes eld
2136\end_inset
2137
2138in the present
2139\begin_inset Quotes erd
2140\end_inset
2141
2142.
2143 Thanks to object persistence (fermions,
2144 apparently) I can carve and mold the present in such a way that I can write,
2145 and see my writing preserved all the way into the
2146\begin_inset Quotes eld
2147\end_inset
2148
2149present
2150\begin_inset Quotes erd
2151\end_inset
2152
2153,
2154 and my neurons can write their chemical reactions into a form that I call
2155\begin_inset Quotes eld
2156\end_inset
2157
2158my memory
2159\begin_inset Quotes erd
2160\end_inset
2161
2162.
2163 This is the only physical reality I truly know,
2164 and the object persistence
2165\begin_inset Quotes eld
2166\end_inset
2167
2168right know
2169\begin_inset Quotes erd
2170\end_inset
2171
2172,
2173 and the continuity of history,
2174 fools my mind into thinking the past is the same thing as
2175\begin_inset Quotes eld
2176\end_inset
2177
2178physical reality
2179\begin_inset Quotes erd
2180\end_inset
2181
2182.
2183 Again it is not:
2184 it cannot be:
2185 there is no instrument I can devise that can
2186\begin_inset Quotes eld
2187\end_inset
2188
2189see the past
2190\begin_inset Quotes erd
2191\end_inset
2192
2193,
2194 that can
2195\begin_inset Quotes eld
2196\end_inset
2197
2198review the past
2199\begin_inset Quotes erd
2200\end_inset
2201
2202,
2203 if I missed it when it came around the first time.
2204 The point is,
2205 I guess,
2206 I am trying to make an analogy:
2207 I ask
2208\begin_inset Quotes eld
2209\end_inset
2210
2211where does the wave function intersect physical reality?
2212\begin_inset Quotes erd
2213\end_inset
2214
2215 and the answer is
2216\begin_inset Quotes eld
2217\end_inset
2218
2219it mostly doesn't,
2220 you just have a flawed idea of what physical reality is,
2221 you were fooled and tricked by the persistence of objects into thinking that the past is
2222\begin_inset Quotes eld
2223\end_inset
2224
2225physical reality
2226\begin_inset Quotes erd
2227\end_inset
2228
2229 when the past is not and cannot be:
2230 only the present is.
2231
2232\end_layout
2233
2234\begin_layout Standard
2235So asking about the location of the wave function is misleading,
2236 as,
2237 in the past,
2238 there is no more wave–function.
2239 W.f.s are in the present,
2240 only.
2241 And yes,
2242 the present is many–world–ish,
2243 because that is
2244\begin_inset Quotes eld
2245\end_inset
2246
2247where the w.f.
2248 is
2249\begin_inset Quotes erd
2250\end_inset
2251
2252;
2253 the past is single–world–ish,
2254 because there is no w.f.
2255 in the (true) past.
2256 And as the Renninger negative–measurement result demonstrates,
2257 the present not only has a
2258\begin_inset Quotes eld
2259\end_inset
2260
2261width
2262\begin_inset Quotes erd
2263\end_inset
2264
2265,
2266 but the present can be very fat.
2267 Although,
2268 as I'm writing this,
2269 as I've repeated before,
2270 I wonder if this idea of fatness is another fount of confusion.
2271 Just like asking
2272\begin_inset Quotes eld
2273\end_inset
2274
2275where do the complex roots of a cubic equation intersect the x–axis?
2276\begin_inset Quotes erd
2277\end_inset
2278
2279 there is a bit of a flaw when I ask
2280\begin_inset Quotes eld
2281\end_inset
2282
2283where does time intersect with space?
2284\begin_inset Quotes erd
2285\end_inset
2286
2287 as it is some Cartesian product,
2288 when (obviously) the metric signature + + + – or – – – + means that one or the other is pseudo–uh–Riemannian.
2289 Hmm.
2290\end_layout
2291
2292\begin_layout Standard
2293Well,
2294 I guess I have to clarify the difference between
2295\begin_inset Quotes eld
2296\end_inset
2297
2298Cartesian
2299\begin_inset Quotes erd
2300\end_inset
2301
2302 and
2303\begin_inset Quotes eld
2304\end_inset
2305
2306metric
2307\begin_inset Quotes erd
2308\end_inset
2309
2310.
2311 As before,
2312 the notion of 3D space is intimately entangled with the
2313\begin_inset Quotes eld
2314\end_inset
2315
2316natural topology
2317\begin_inset Quotes erd
2318\end_inset
2319
2320.
2321 All discussions of manifolds presuppose,
2322 well,
2323 not just the atlas,
2324 but that
2325\begin_inset Formula $\mathbb{R}^{n}$
2326\end_inset
2327
2328 is
2329\begin_inset Quotes eld
2330\end_inset
2331
2332flat
2333\begin_inset Quotes erd
2334\end_inset
2335
2336 can can be coordinatized by
2337\begin_inset Formula $n$
2338\end_inset
2339
2340–tuples
2341\begin_inset Formula $\left(x,y,z,\cdots\right)$
2342\end_inset
2343
2344 – the so–called Cartesian coordinates,
2345 and that there's a topology that is Hausdorff,
2346 and that the space is measurable,
2347 in that we can attach some sigma–algebra of measurable sets,
2348 and that there is a set–membership predicate
2349\begin_inset Formula $\Delta\left(x,y,z,\cdots\right)$
2350\end_inset
2351
2352 that is true when
2353\begin_inset Formula $\left(x,y,z,\cdots\right)$
2354\end_inset
2355
2356 belongs to the set,
2357 and is false when it does not.
2358 (The
2359\begin_inset Quotes eld
2360\end_inset
2361
2362subobject classifier
2363\begin_inset Quotes erd
2364\end_inset
2365
2366 for small sets.) The physical notion of
2367\begin_inset Quotes eld
2368\end_inset
2369
2370where is it?
2371\begin_inset Quotes erd
2372\end_inset
2373
2374 is a linguistic apparatus attached to my memory of the past,
2375 that can be axiomatized a la des Cartes into Cartesian coords
2376\begin_inset Formula $\left(x,y,z,\cdots\right)$
2377\end_inset
2378
2379.
2380 But that axiomatization is appropriate only in the past.
2381 That there is some sort of trouble elsewhere is hinted by the pseudo–Riemannian metric signature,
2382 where,
2383 of the four spacetime coordinates,
2384 some have to be
2385\begin_inset Quotes eld
2386\end_inset
2387
2388not real
2389\begin_inset Quotes erd
2390\end_inset
2391
2392.
2393 There are values for
2394\begin_inset Formula $\left(x,y,z,t\right)$
2395\end_inset
2396
2397 for which the
2398\begin_inset Quotes eld
2399\end_inset
2400
2401distance
2402\begin_inset Quotes erd
2403\end_inset
2404
2405
2406\begin_inset Formula $\sqrt{x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}-t^{2}}$
2407\end_inset
2408
2409 cannot be
2410\begin_inset Quotes eld
2411\end_inset
2412
2413real
2414\begin_inset Quotes erd
2415\end_inset
2416
2417,
2418 and so of course,
2419 I cannot point my finger in the direction in which
2420\begin_inset Quotes eld
2421\end_inset
2422
2423time flows
2424\begin_inset Quotes erd
2425\end_inset
2426
2427,
2428 because that is not a
2429\begin_inset Quotes eld
2430\end_inset
2431
2432direction
2433\begin_inset Quotes erd
2434\end_inset
2435
2436 accessible from 3D space.
2437 And to go in circles,
2438 and to repeat myself over and over,
2439 the Cartesian axiomatization only works for
2440\begin_inset Quotes eld
2441\end_inset
2442
2443things in the past
2444\begin_inset Quotes erd
2445\end_inset
2446
2447.
2448 I almost wrote
2449\begin_inset Quotes eld
2450\end_inset
2451
2452past light–cone
2453\begin_inset Quotes erd
2454\end_inset
2455
2456,
2457 which would have been technically true,
2458 but would have obscured that the past exists only in a platonic form,
2459 remembered only by memory (object persistence) in the (many–worlds) present.
2460 Calling it the
2461\begin_inset Quotes eld
2462\end_inset
2463
2464past light–cone
2465\begin_inset Quotes erd
2466\end_inset
2467
2468 tricks my brain into giving it some kind of
2469\begin_inset Quotes eld
2470\end_inset
2471
2472existential reality
2473\begin_inset Quotes erd
2474\end_inset
2475
2476 when that
2477\begin_inset Quotes eld
2478\end_inset
2479
2480existentialness
2481\begin_inset Quotes erd
2482\end_inset
2483
2484 exists only in the platonic realm,
2485 in the noosphere,
2486 in the past.
2487 Hmm.
2488 I'm going in circles,
2489 stating the obvious.
2490 Am I getting any closer?
2491 Well,
2492 the first steps of converting perception into understanding is to take a damn good look at your object of attention,
2493 without being judgmental.
2494 So I am taking a hard look at
2495\begin_inset Quotes eld
2496\end_inset
2497
2498reality
2499\begin_inset Quotes erd
2500\end_inset
2501
2502.
2503 Without yet offering any
2504\begin_inset Quotes eld
2505\end_inset
2506
2507explanation
2508\begin_inset Quotes erd
2509\end_inset
2510
2511 of what it is,
2512 because,
2513 well,
2514 so far,
2515 I can't offer one.
2516
2517\end_layout
2518
18842519\begin_layout Section*
18852520The End
18862521\end_layout