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Wrap up Here and Now for today.
1e83e6093d85fa94d6107748bf1de5fa8ef9cc35
by Linas Vepštas <linasvepstas@gmail.com> · 2026-01-14T22:08:12.000Z

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13121312\end_layout
13131313
13141314\begin_layout Standard
1315Anyway...
1315So what happens if I try to axiomatize wave function collapse in the above model?
1316 Well,
1317 I have that
1318\begin_inset Formula $\left|\psi\right\rangle \in H$
1319\end_inset
1320
1321 where
1322\begin_inset Formula $H$
1323\end_inset
1324
1325 is the Hilbert space with all the conventional trimmings:
1326 bounded,
1327 uniform convergence in the weak topology,
1328 square–integrable,
1329
1330\emph on
1331etc.
1332
1333\emph default
1334 Note that square–integrable means normalizable,
1335 and normalizable means its a projective space.
1336 A projective space is one where all the vector lengths are of length–one;
1337 the usual examples are real projective space
1338\begin_inset Formula $\mathbb{RP}^{n}$
1339\end_inset
1340
1341 and complex projective space
1342\begin_inset Formula $\mathbb{CP}^{n}$
1343\end_inset
1344
1345.
1346 Note that projective spaces are
1347\begin_inset Quotes eld
1348\end_inset
1349
1350kind of like spheres
1351\begin_inset Quotes erd
1352\end_inset
1353
1354,
1355 and that the conventional Hilbert space of QM is
1356\begin_inset Quotes eld
1357\end_inset
1358
1359kind of like
1360\begin_inset Quotes erd
1361\end_inset
1362
1363 an infinite–dimensional sphere,
1364 in that
1365\begin_inset Formula $1=\left|c_{1}\right|+\left|c_{2}\right|+\cdots$
1366\end_inset
1367
1368 for any
1369\begin_inset Formula $\psi=c_{1}\psi_{1}+c_{2}\psi_{2}+\cdots$
1370\end_inset
1371
1372 and we know that high–dimensional spheres are bizarre beasts in their own right.
1373\end_layout
1374
1375\begin_layout Standard
1376Anyway,
1377 a pure–state wave–function
1378\begin_inset Formula $\psi=\left|\psi\right\rangle \in H$
1379\end_inset
1380
1381 is a
1382\begin_inset Quotes eld
1383\end_inset
1384
1385single point
1386\begin_inset Quotes erd
1387\end_inset
1388
1389 on this
1390\begin_inset Quotes eld
1391\end_inset
1392
1393infinite–dimensional sphere
1394\begin_inset Quotes erd
1395\end_inset
1396
1397
1398\begin_inset Formula $S^{\omega}\simeq H$
1399\end_inset
1400
1401 (which is then
1402\begin_inset Formula $H\simeq\mathbb{RP}^{\omega}$
1403\end_inset
1404
1405 or
1406\begin_inset Formula $H\simeq\mathbb{CP}^{\omega}$
1407\end_inset
1408
1409,
1410 take your pick.) I now want to introduce a new symbol,
1411
1412\begin_inset Formula $r$
1413\end_inset
1414
1415,
1416 standing for the
1417\begin_inset Quotes eld
1418\end_inset
1419
1420reduction
1421\begin_inset Quotes erd
1422\end_inset
1423
1424 of
1425\begin_inset Quotes eld
1426\end_inset
1427
1428wave function collapse
1429\begin_inset Quotes erd
1430\end_inset
1431
1432.
1433 How should that symbol be deployed algebraically?
1434 Well,
1435 lets start with some wrong answers.
1436 its not a function,
1437 so I should not write
1438\end_layout
1439
1440\begin_layout Standard
1441\begin_inset Formula
1442\[
1443r:H\to I\qquad\mbox{(wrong)}
1444\]
1445
1446\end_inset
1447
1448 where
1449\begin_inset Formula $I$
1450\end_inset
1451
1452 is the unit interval from before.
1453 The above is wrong for several reasons:
1454 its not
1455\begin_inset Quotes eld
1456\end_inset
1457
1458deterministic
1459\begin_inset Quotes erd
1460\end_inset
1461
1462,
1463 in that I can't say
1464\begin_inset Quotes eld
1465\end_inset
1466
1467for any and every point
1468\begin_inset Formula $\psi\in H$
1469\end_inset
1470
1471 there is a unique point
1472\begin_inset Formula $x\in I$
1473\end_inset
1474
1475 that it collapses to
1476\begin_inset Quotes erd
1477\end_inset
1478
1479;
1480 at most,
1481 all I can say is
1482\begin_inset Quotes eld
1483\end_inset
1484
1485after preparing a state
1486\begin_inset Formula $\psi$
1487\end_inset
1488
1489 and selecting a spatial location
1490\begin_inset Formula $x$
1491\end_inset
1492
1493 then I will have a random chance/probability of
1494\begin_inset Formula $\left|\psi\left(x\right)\right|^{2}$
1495\end_inset
1496
1497 that my detector,
1498 located at
1499\begin_inset Formula $x$
1500\end_inset
1501
1502 will detect the prepared state
1503\begin_inset Quotes erd
1504\end_inset
1505
1506.
1507 Twiddle the above as needed for states that aren't pure,
1508 and detectors that are finite–sized.
1509 Crack open standard textbooks for this.
1510\end_layout
1511
1512\begin_layout Standard
1513The mission here is to find an algebraic infrastructure for talking about
1514\begin_inset Formula $r$
1515\end_inset
1516
1517.
1518 Discovering notation for it.
1519 And ...
1520 on this note,
1521 I will end today's diary entry,
1522 mostly because it took five hours to write the trivialities above,
1523 and I'm exhausted,
1524 and I really don't have any tricks or anything clever to say about
1525\begin_inset Formula $r$
1526\end_inset
1527
1528 because it was at this point that I rolled out of bed this morning,
1529 with an urge to write down the above.
1530 So;
1531 mission accomplished:
1532 I wrote down what I set out to write.
1533 I don't think I wrote down anything at all that a normal student of QM would not already know.
1534 I did want to sharpen the outlines and relief of what wave–function collapse is.
1535 The point is that wave functions
1536\begin_inset Quotes eld
1537\end_inset
1538
1539live in a space
1540\begin_inset Formula $H$
1541\end_inset
1542
1543 the is out there,
1544 independent of space and time
1545\begin_inset Quotes erd
1546\end_inset
1547
1548,
1549 and that the physics happens
1550\begin_inset Quotes eld
1551\end_inset
1552
1553in that space
1554\begin_inset Quotes erd
1555\end_inset
1556
1557,
1558 which is just as
1559\begin_inset Quotes eld
1560\end_inset
1561
1562real
1563\begin_inset Quotes erd
1564\end_inset
1565
1566 as the space that I am accustomed to living in.
1567\end_layout
1568
1569\begin_layout Standard
1570The mystery question is
1571\begin_inset Quotes eld
1572\end_inset
1573
1574why is my space 3D?
1575\begin_inset Quotes erd
1576\end_inset
1577
1578 and not 5D or something else?
1579 The above sketch paints a picture for 1D space;
1580 it does not fix the dimension in any way.
1581 It also does not explain why the 3D space that I live in is Cartesian,
1582 with the natural topology,
1583 and not the product of,
1584 say,
1585 three Cantor sets with some other topology,
1586 e.g.
1587
1588\begin_inset Formula $p$
1589\end_inset
1590
1591–adic or whatever.
1592 Where does the 3D come from,
1593 and where does the natural topology come from?
1594\end_layout
1595
1596\begin_layout Standard
1597Oh,
1598 I should point out that one of the ingredients to the above construction was the postulation of a differential eqn
1599\begin_inset Formula $d^{2}\psi/dx^{2}=E\psi$
1600\end_inset
1601
1602 because that is how first–quantization works.
1603 If I think of this eqn as a
1604\begin_inset Quotes eld
1605\end_inset
1606
1607single point in the space of all differential eqns
1608\begin_inset Quotes erd
1609\end_inset
1610
1611,
1612 then I have to ask
1613\begin_inset Quotes eld
1614\end_inset
1615
1616what is the space of all differential eqns?
1617\begin_inset Quotes erd
1618\end_inset
1619
1620 and
1621\begin_inset Quotes eld
1622\end_inset
1623
1624does it have a topology?
1625\begin_inset Quotes erd
1626\end_inset
1627
1628 and
1629\begin_inset Quotes eld
1630\end_inset
1631
1632should I think about non–linear e.g.
1633 quadratic terms for
1634\begin_inset Formula $\psi$
1635\end_inset
1636
1637 or more than two derivatives?
1638\begin_inset Quotes erd
1639\end_inset
1640
1641 The conventional answer to these questions are
1642\begin_inset Quotes eld
1643\end_inset
1644
1645no you must not do that because
1646\begin_inset Quotes erd
1647\end_inset
1648
1649 (a) the Hamilton–Jacobi eqns are naturally quadratic and are the natural setting for geodesics on Riemanninan manifolds (which then beggars the question
1650\begin_inset Quotes eld
1651\end_inset
1652
1653why is it a metric space,
1654 anyway?
1655\begin_inset Quotes erd
1656\end_inset
1657
1658) or perhaps (b)
1659\begin_inset Quotes eld
1660\end_inset
1661
1662mumble spin statistics and general relativity
1663\begin_inset Quotes erd
1664\end_inset
1665
1666 or perhaps (c) non–renormalizability or perhaps (d)
1667\begin_inset Quotes eld
1668\end_inset
1669
1670standard QM is just plain–old linear,
1671 deal with it
1672\begin_inset Quotes erd
1673\end_inset
1674
1675 or perhaps (e) the propagator for the Laplacian has the very simple null–light–cone form
1676\begin_inset Formula $\delta^{3}\left(x-ct\right)$
1677\end_inset
1678
1679 only in 3+1 D and all other dimensions have derivatives in there,
1680 or worse,
1681 e.g.
1682 water waves in 2+1 D where the propagator has a step function for the retarded wave,
1683 and likewise for N+1 for any even N.
1684 But all of these hand–waving replies are,
1685 well,
1686 hand–waving,
1687 and serve to obscure the answer even before the question has been clearly posed.
1688 The only vaguely reasonable answer (or framework) seems to arise in second quantization,
1689 where I write the partition function
1690\begin_inset Formula
1691\[
1692Z=\int\left[d\phi\right]e^{-iA\left(\phi\right)}
1693\]
1694
1695\end_inset
1696
1697and the action is
1698\begin_inset Formula $A\left(\phi\right)=\int d^{n}x\mathcal{L}\left(\phi,\dot{\phi}\right)$
1699\end_inset
1700
1701 for some quadratic Lagrangian
1702\begin_inset Formula $\mathcal{L}$
1703\end_inset
1704
1705.
1706 Again,
1707 we are back to
1708\begin_inset Formula $\mathcal{L}$
1709\end_inset
1710
1711 being quadratic,
1712 but this I can somehow live with and accept,
1713 because now,
1714 any
1715\begin_inset Formula $\phi$
1716\end_inset
1717
1718 that is not classical,
1719 i.e.
1720 is not an extremum of the partition function,
1721 I can
1722\begin_inset Quotes eld
1723\end_inset
1724
1725imagine
1726\begin_inset Quotes erd
1727\end_inset
1728
1729 that
1730\begin_inset Formula $\phi$
1731\end_inset
1732
1733 as
1734\begin_inset Quotes eld
1735\end_inset
1736
1737solving
1738\begin_inset Quotes erd
1739\end_inset
1740
1741 some
1742\begin_inset Quotes eld
1743\end_inset
1744
1745other
1746\begin_inset Quotes erd
1747\end_inset
1748
1749 differential equation besides
1750\begin_inset Formula $d^{2}\psi/dx^{2}=E\psi$
1751\end_inset
1752
1753,
1754 because,
1755 in second quantization,
1756 these other paths
1757\begin_inset Quotes eld
1758\end_inset
1759
1760exist
1761\begin_inset Quotes erd
1762\end_inset
1763
1764,
1765 and only the
1766\begin_inset Quotes eld
1767\end_inset
1768
1769classical
1770\begin_inset Quotes erd
1771\end_inset
1772
1773 path solves the
1774\begin_inset Quotes eld
1775\end_inset
1776
1777first–order–quantized
1778\begin_inset Quotes erd
1779\end_inset
1780
1781 eqn
1782\begin_inset Formula $d^{2}\psi/dx^{2}=E\psi$
1783\end_inset
1784
1785.
1786 I'm putting everything in quotes,
1787 here,
1788 I'm trying to sketch a picture here that fails if the quoted terms are taken at their literal meanings;
1789 you have to read a bit of poetry into this.
1790 The correct/intended meaning for this is,
1791 for example,
1792 a brownian motion random walk,
1793 where any path can be taken,
1794 and the distribution of those paths are clearly Gaussian (i.e.
1795 quadratic) but if I select any one given path and
1796\begin_inset Quotes eld
1797\end_inset
1798
1799smooth it
1800\begin_inset Quotes erd
1801\end_inset
1802
1803,
1804 it seems to
1805\begin_inset Quotes eld
1806\end_inset
1807
1808almost solve
1809\begin_inset Quotes erd
1810\end_inset
1811
1812 something that
1813\begin_inset Quotes eld
1814\end_inset
1815
1816looks like
1817\begin_inset Quotes erd
1818\end_inset
1819
1820 a differential eqn with non–linear terms and higher derivatives,
1821 even though
1822\begin_inset Quotes eld
1823\end_inset
1824
1825the actual diff eq depends on the smoothed path
1826\begin_inset Quotes erd
1827\end_inset
1828
1829.
13161830\end_layout
13171831
13181832\begin_layout Standard
1319gaussia
1833This sounds insane so let me re–sketch it as a a kind of inverted–physics.
1834 Start with a single stochastic diff eq,
1835 say the one for Brownian motion,
1836 then select a single path (a single random walk) then smooth that path (with some smoothing function with some smoothing parameter(s)) and then ask:
1837 is there some diffeq that this path just happens to accidentally solve?
1838 And then perhaps,
1839
1840\begin_inset Quotes eld
1841\end_inset
1842
1843what other solns does this nasty horrible diffeq solve?
1844\begin_inset Quotes erd
1845\end_inset
1846
1847 Or perhaps
1848\begin_inset Quotes eld
1849\end_inset
1850
1851what is the topology for the space of these kinds of difffeqs that are constructed in this insane kind of way?
1852\begin_inset Quotes erd
1853\end_inset
1854
1855 (where by
1856\begin_inset Quotes eld
1857\end_inset
1858
1859topology
1860\begin_inset Quotes erd
1861\end_inset
1862
1863 I also mean
1864\begin_inset Quotes eld
1865\end_inset
1866
1867measure space
1868\begin_inset Quotes erd
1869\end_inset
1870
1871,
1872 because I want to have some measure on it.) But again,
1873 this is not only wacky,
1874 but unworkable at this level of description,
1875 so I abandon ship here.
1876 My apologies to leave you disappointed and empty–handed.
1877 It'll be a few weeks before I get back to this;
1878 I have other things to do.
1879 I also had some other ideas about here and now,
1880 a few months ago,
1881 and I did not write them down and now I cannot remember them.
13201882\end_layout
13211883
13221884\begin_layout Section*